AMD Quietly Unveils Radeon M400 Series: Starting With Rebadgesby Ryan Smith on May 14, 2016 8:40 AM EST
As our long-time readers are keenly aware, the product cycles followed by PC OEMs and ODMs for their laptops and desktops are rarely perfectly in sync with the development cycles of the underlying processors. With a desire to refresh their PCs on a yearly basis – whether or not new processors are available – OEMs lean on their suppliers to come up with newer parts to fill out these devices. Consequently, it has become a semi-annual ritual for the GPU vendors to rebadge parts of their lineups to meet the needs of OEMs, shuffling together old and new parts as part of a continuous cycle of upgrades and replacements.
Kicking off this latest cycle, this week AMD quietly updated the laptop GPU section of their website to add the Radeon M400 series, the latest generation of AMD’s notebook (and AIO desktop) GPUs. And to cut right to the chase, while this year is going to be an important year for AMD with the launch of their Polaris architecture and its accompanying GPUs, Polaris isn’t upon us quite yet. Instead what AMD has published are the customary 28nm rebadges that will be fleshing out the M400 line, presumably positioned around where Polaris will land a bit later this year.
As these product updates aren’t coming alongside any other formal product announcement, there’s little information on AMD’s branding/positioning direction at this time. So the information we have is limited to some basic hardware specifications. Given the timing of this release – just two weeks before Computex – I expect we’ll see more from AMD as part of their annual Computex presentations. In the meantime if you see Radeon M400 parts start to show up in laptop specification sheets ahead of Computex, here is what’s going on under the hood.
|AMD R9 M400 Series GPU Specifications|
|R9 M485X||R9 M470X||R9 M470|
|Was||Variant of R9 M395X||Variant of R9 M385X||Variant of R9 M380|
|Memory Clock||<= 5Gbps GDDR5||<= 6Gbps GDDR5||<= 6Gbps GDDR5|
|Memory Bus Width||256-bit||128-bit||128-bit|
|Manufacturing Process||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm|
|Architecture||GCN 1.2||GCN 1.1||GCN 1.1|
The sizable high-performance Radeon R9 M300 family has been trimmed significantly for the R9 M400 family, which at least until the launch of Polaris is composed of three products: M485X, M470X, and M470. The former is identical in specification to R9 M395X, making it a rebadged GCN 1.2 Tonga part with all 2048 SPs enabled. Meanwhile the M470 series follows the M380 series, making it rebadges of the GCN 1.1 Bonaire GPU. M470X would be a fully enabled part with all 896 SPs enabled, while M470 cuts that down to 768 SPs.
Meanwhile, not found here are any parts based on AMD’s venerable GCN 1.0 Pitcairn GPU. After a run of over 4 years, it looks like Pitcairn has set off on a well-deserved retirement.
|AMD R7 M400 Series GPU Specifications|
|R7 M465X||R7 M465||R7 M460||R7 M445||R7 M440|
|Was||Variant of R9 M370||Variant of R7 M370||Variant of R7 M360||Variant of R7 M340||Variant of R7 M340|
|Memory Clock||<= 4.5Gbps GDDR5||<= 4.6Gbps GDDR5||<= 2Gbps DDR3||<= 4Gbps GDDR5||<= 2Gbps DDR3|
|Memory Bus Width||128-bit||64/128-bit||64-bit||64-bit||64-bit|
|Manufacturing Process||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm|
|Architecture||GCN 1.0||GCN 1.2||GCN 1.2||GCN 1.2||GCN 1.2|
As for the R7 level of GPUs, AMD is introducing 5 different models. The part that immediately sticks out the most is the 512 SP R7 M465X, which has no immediate predecessor in AMD’s catalog. Based on the limited information here, this looks to be a cut-down version of R9 M370 series, which utilized the GCN 1.0 Cape Verde GPU. This part doesn’t feature all of Cape Verde’s SPs enabled, but does retain the higher bandwidth offered by GDDR5.
Below the M465X things get murkier with the remaining M460 series and M440 series parts. AMD has a number of overlapping parts here, and the underlying configurations are not well documented to the public. The M465 could be multiple parts, but most likely we’re looking at Topaz in two different configurations, with one featuring the full 128-bit memory bus, while another features a neutered 64-bit memory bus. In any case these seem to be rebadges/retools of the R7 M370, meaning we’re looking at 384 SPs with differing amounts of memory bandwidth. The M460 on the other hand looks to be a straight-up rebadge of the M360, another Topaz-esque part with a 64-bit memory bus and DDR3 memory.
Rounding out the R7 collection is the M440 and M445, each of which features 320 SPs. These again are likely Topaz parts, with the published difference being the memory technology. M445 uses GDDR5 on a 64-bit memory bus, while M440 uses DDR3 on the same sized bus. These are essentially rebadges/retools of the R7 M340.
|AMD R5 M400 Series GPU Specifications|
|R5 M435||R5 M430||R5 M420|
|Was||New||Variant of R5 M330||Variant of R5 M320|
|Memory Clock||<= 4Gbps GDDR5||<= 2Gbps DDR3||<= 2Gbps DDR3|
|Memory Bus Width||64-bit||64-bit||64-bit|
|Manufacturing Process||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm||TSMC 28nm|
|Architecture||GCN 1.2||GCN 1.2||GCN 1.2|
Finally bringing up the rear are the R5 M400 series. These 320 SP parts are likely candidates to be paired with APUs for dual graphics operation. At the top of the list is the R5 M435, and highly unusual for an R5 part features GDDR5 memory on a 64-bit memory bus. AMD has never offered a 320 SP part with GDDR5 before, so while it’s vaguely similar to the R7 340, it has no real predecessor. Meanwhile the R5 M430 and M420 are almost certainly direct rebadges of the M330 and M320 respectively.
The bigger question of course is where products based on AMD’s forthcoming Polaris GPUs will fit into these lineups. Having undertaken their annual rebadge, at this point it’s safe to assume that the Polaris parts will be sold under the M400 banner as well. And given the performance AMD has been touting, I’m sure we’ll be looking at a fuller R9 M400 lineup once that happens. In the meantime we’ll have to see what AMD has planned for the Radeon Mobility family at Computex.
Source: AMD (via SH SOTN)
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Ryan Smith - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkThanks.
sharath.naik - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkstill at 28nm? mobile needs to move to 14nm first.
jann5s - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - link"Consequently, it has become a semi-annual ritual for the GPU vendors to rebadge parts of their lineups to meet the needs of OEMs, shuffling together old and new parts as part of a continuous cycle of upgrades and replacements."
I really think this is a terrible and tasteless artifact of the "free" market system. Most laptop buyers do not visit sites like this, and will easily be trapped in buying the "new" more expensive 4xx series model .
vladx - Sunday, May 15, 2016 - linkDuh, I think that was the whole point.
slickr - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkHopefully the Desktop parts are ALL new Polaris GPU's. I also want and expect all the new GPU's to have 4GB GDDR5x memory, if its $140-150$ or more it should have GDDR5x, it should have 4GB ram and it should be on average 25% faster than the previous generation GPU's at the same price points.
Anything less than that and I'm skipping this generation as well, probably going to buy a $130 chip to freshen up things to move me through this year, possibly the 270x if I can find it and then wait for better options.
ImSpartacus - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkYou'll get your 4GB of VRAM. Polaris 11 is strongly rumored to have a 128-bit bus, which would use a minimum of four die (one per controller) and the latest in both GDDR5 and GDDR5X have 8Gb (1GB) per die.
And Polaris 10 is generally rumored to sport a 256-bit bus, so it would need twice that amount.
But I'm doubtful that you'll get your 25% perf/$ bump. At least not at launch prices, as the $700 launch 1080 is pretty much flat on perf/$ compared to the 980 Ti.
farmergann - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkslickr - I would suggest that Polaris GPUs will see a rough average of around 1.4x performance per SP/CU relative to previous iterations of GCN courtesy of uArch improvements and increased clocks. For the $150 and below market that will likely include a 1280SP/20CU Polaris 11. 1280 x 1.4 = 1792, so you're looking at a performance equivalent of current Tonga with upgraded features and significantly lower power consumption.
Last thing, I would suggest you go for 260x if purchasing a temp card as it has a much better feature set (Freesync specifically) and is quite a bit cheaper on the second hand market relative to the slight performance disparity.
Siddhartha202 - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkPrepare for getting a 270x then.
There is no way a Gpu under $300 is gonna give you gddr5x this year.
Though performance boost of atleast 25% is still quite possible.
brruno - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linkGod... Some there are 3/4y old, from HD 7000M / 8000M series..
1 rebrand is usual, 2 "acceptable" in some conditions, 4 rebrands its just criminal..
extide - Saturday, May 14, 2016 - linknVidia has rebranded some low end fermi parts in 3-4+ generations as well. Even some of the older tesla parts.