Intel Adds B365 Chipset to Lineup: The Return of 22nmby Anton Shilov on December 13, 2018 10:00 AM EST
Intel has quietly added a new chipset that is made using the company’s 22 nm fabrication process to its 300-series lineup. As the name suggests, the Intel B365 PCH for desktop PCs has a similar positioning with the company’s B360 chipset, but the two products have many differences apart from their manufacturing technologies. Meanwhile, the launch of a 22 nm product is expected to free up some capacity for 14 nm products, such as CPUs
Intel’s B365 PCH belongs to the 300-series chipsets, so it has to support Intel’s latest processors and select platform features. At the same time, the chip is made using Intel’s 22 nm fabrication process and therefore formally belongs to the Kaby Lake family. In fact, key specs of the B365 resemble those of the H270 with some minor differences. Therefore, we might be dealing with a renamed and re-certified silicon here, and although Intel has not confirmed this, there are some unofficial indicators about the rename.
The new B365 chipset supports 20 PCIe 3.0 lanes, up from 12 supported by the B360. Furthermore, the B365 PCH also supports hardware RAID for PCIe and SATA storage devices, something that the B360 lacks.
Meanwhile, the B365 does not feature an integrated USB 3.1 Gen 2 controller and does not support CNVi Wi-Fi + BT companion RF modules (such as the Wireless-AC 9560 that supports up to 1.73 Gbps throughput over 160 MHz channels), essentially losing two major advantages that Intel’s 300-series platforms have over predecessors. To enable USB 3.1 Gen 2 and Gigabit-class Wi-Fi speeds, motherboard makers will have to install standalone controllers, which will consume PCIe lanes and increase BOM costs of motherboards as well as PCs.
|Intel's 300-series PCH|
|Launch||Oct '17||Apr '18||Apr '18||Dec '18||Apr '18||Apr '18|
|Max USB 3.1 G2||-||4||6||0||4||0|
|Max USB 3.1 G1||10||8||6||4|
|SATA 6 Gbps||6||4|
|PCH PCIe 3.0 Lanes||24||20||24||20||12||-|
|PCH PCIe 2.0 Lanes||-||6|
|Max RST PCIe Storage||3||2||3||2 (?)||1||0|
|RAID||PCIe||0, 1, 5||-||-|
|SATA||0, 1, 5, 10||-||-|
|Intel Smart Sound||Y||N|
The B365 is not the first Intel 300-series chipset to be made using the company’s 22 nm process technology. Earlier this year the company quietly launched its H310C, which is allegedly fabbed using the same tech.
By moving production of chipsets to an older node Intel frees up its 14 nm capacities for higher-margin products, such as Intel Core and Intel Xeon CPUs. Given the fact that the company is struggling to meet demand, it is clearly logical for Intel to use older process nodes for chipsets that are rather simple and barely make use of any of the significant advantages of the latest nodes.
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Source: Intel (via Tom’s Hardware)
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PeachNCream - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkI was under the impression that its well-known that Intel uses older, mature nodes to produce ICs other than CPUs. Chipsets have long been the domain of last generation fabrication and that is especially useful in desktop hardware as heat output and power efficiency are not constrained by small device form factors and limited energy storage.
shabby - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkWere they always made at 22nm? Some sites a month ago reported the die being much larger than the current one, meaning they started using an older process.
mammothboy - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkThey do, but 14nm was supposed to be "older, mature node" compared to 10nm. With the issues there, things got jammed at 14nm. I imagine they would have pivoted back to 22nm sooner had they really appreciated how bad things were at 10nm.
DanNeely - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkThey have. The top level chipset (historically the north bridge, now the PCH with there no longer being separate north/soutbridges) has historically been about one process behind; with lesser chips using even older ones (ie the southbridge when the chipset was 2 chips). I'm not sure how old the processes for Intel NICs or thunderbolt controllers are. The RF part of wifi modules needs a different process and other than general chip making machinery wouldn't be running on old CPU tech.
What I think happened is that the 14nm chipsets we got were designed to go with the 10nm CPUs we haven't; but that DMI was generic enough that they still worked and thus were paired with the stuck on 14nm CPUs to keep supported features coming forward until growing CPU die sizes meant they were starting to run out of capacity.
namechamps - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkThey do. However it isn't always exactly one behind. As they prep for the CPU moving to the next process node they move chipsets up to the current node as it is very mature with very high yields. It is a way of squeezing a bit of cost off the chipsets.
So if things went according to plan (well at least the 5th revision of the "plan") Intel moves chipsets to 14nm in 2018 as it begins moving CPUs to 10nm. Except that didn't happen and now they are facing a capacity shortfall in 14nm. So they made the B365 on 22nm to free up some 14nm capacity. It is just more evidence on how atypical of a clusterfuck the 10nm transition has become.
HStewart - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkWith Technology changing and lots of Chipset functionality actually moving into CPU chip, I would expect die would be reduce. Since IO does not appear to performance - it would be logical for Intel to do this
Also I believe Intel mention that is part of their plan - to make more time critical components like CPU, GPU and Ram using the faster process and let IO be on less expensive process. EMiB is one example of using different process on same product.
Also 10nm is not dead, it is live and well and planned for 2019 but 14nm is still in production. Likely once 10nm and future 7nm processes are full swing 22nm will more move 14nm productions or possible if cost measure just to keep them on 22nm.
The big question was Chipset ever on 14nm?
III-V - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkTheir chip sets have been on 14nm, yes. Thus the interest surrounding this product. It's a little unusual to port a product to an older node.
III-V - Thursday, December 13, 2018 - linkFrom what I heard, part of the reason why they moved their chipsets to 14nm on such an aggressive schedule is for compliance with California's recent energy regulations.
Gondalf - Saturday, December 15, 2018 - linkStill now they have a new 22nm process named 22FFL that has 14nm power consumption or lower.
These chipsets are done in 22FFL so they meet or excess the energy regulations.
FullmetalTitan - Friday, December 14, 2018 - linkThis pivot is almost certainly to alleviate their line balance issues caused by stagnating at 14nm, we have already seen two rounds of CapEx to expand 14nm capacity, this is just another part of that same effort to shift the load.