New Thunderbolt Controllers (DSL4510/4410) and Future 20Gbps Falcon Ridge TB Controller Announcedby Anand Lal Shimpi on April 8, 2013 4:00 PM EST
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Last year we hinted that another Thunderbolt revision would happen this year, with a speed bump in 2014. It turns out that's exactly what's being announced at NAB this week. Intel took the opportunity to unveil its first 2013 Thunderbolt controllers as well as tease next year's Thunderbolt spec update. As a refresher, Cactus Ridge was the codename of the Thunderbolt controllers that accompanied Ivy Bridge systems. Haswell gets a new set of controllers: Redwood Ridge.
Intel is announcing two this week: the DSL4510 and DSL4410. These two are replacements for Intel's current DSL3510 and DSL3310, with 4/2 and 2/1 (channels/ports) respectively. There are no performance changes other than official support for DisplayPort 1.2 (and thus 4K displays). If you connect either of these parts to a Thunderbolt display you still only get DP 1.1a support. There's still a PCIe gen 2 x4 interface on the other end of these controllers.
The Redwood Ridge parts should be a little cheaper as they integrate a 1V voltage regulator that used to be external. The integration also reduces board area by a bit. Power consumption is also lower at idle compared to Cactus Ridge, and disconnected power consumption is significantly lower (1mW vs. 7mW for Cactus Ridge). Redwood Ridge includes the appropriate hooks for Haswell's upcoming aggressive platform power management reductions. Ultimately this is the real focus behind Redwood Ridge. With Haswell, all components on the platform need to be more power efficient - Intel's own silicon included.
Next year Intel will introduce Falcon Ridge, the first real performance upgrade to Thunderbolt. Intel is only mentioning an increase in performance to 20Gbps, which I can only assume refers to signaling speed per Thunderbolt lane. If that's correct we'd be looking at a doubling in peak theoretical bandwidth over Thunderbolt, perhaps finally making this interface useful for external GPUs. No word on a release timeframe for Falcon Ridge, but my guess is that we'll see it debut around Broadwell (14nm Haswell shrink). Given that Haswell is a late Q2/Q3 launch at best, I'd say end of 2014 is likely for Falcon Ridge.
Dropping power, BOM cost and increase performance in the future are all great, but Thunderbolt adoption on the PC remains embarassing at best. There's a lot of finger pointing between Intel and Microsoft on this, but none of it matters to the end user. Apple continues to be the only platform player that seems to get Thunderbolt and take it seriously. If Intel wants Redwood or Falcon Ridge to matter, it needs to make sure that we actually see real adoption of Thunderbolt in the PC space - with backwards compatibility guaranteed between those devices that have been shipping on the market for a couple of years now.
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watersb - Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - linkexcellent points. thanks, repoman27!
dealcorn - Monday, April 8, 2013 - linkIt appears Intel's Avoton is the first chip scheduled for on SOC optical port support. Avoton is Xeon Atom @ 22 nm which is due prior to year end. If Intel migrates the technology to Atom desktop @ 14 nm about a year later, we may start to see more affordable options and perhaps an expanded role for diskless workstations with decent performance.
mayankleoboy1 - Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - linkExternal PCIE >> Thunderbolt.
repoman27 - Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - linkYeah, in physical dimensions, I suppose. Go take a gander at the current crop of External PCIe cables and connectors and then have a look at a typical Ultrabook. Which interface makes more sense in that context?
mayankleoboy1 - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - linkWhich is cheaper to produce :) And which ises lesser power. And which is easier to fabricate. And which has all the bandwidth of the internal PCIE, not a subset. And which does not have any inter-between logic layers, so you get a pure PCIE interface, and leave the implementation to the specific device manufacturer. And which every OS since 2000 understands extremely well.
TB is such a big fail that nobody is using it except for gimmicks.
repoman27 - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - linkIdiotic troll is idiotic.
mayankleoboy1 - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - linkSay that to the handful of TB supported storages and mobos.
watersb - Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - linkNow that USB 3.0 mostly catches up to FireWire for an external hard disk or two, ThunderBolt doesn't make sense to my parents.
If ThunderBolt can last long enough to bring external GPUs to market -- the GPU embedded in the display, so that the ultrabook Just Works -- then people might want TB in addition to USB 3.
geniusloci - Tuesday, April 9, 2013 - linkUSB3 doesn't support NCQ, TB does.
daneren2005 - Wednesday, April 10, 2013 - linkQuick, go tell grandma why she gives a damn about NCQ