MSI Releases Vortex: A Mac Pro-Like SLI PC for Gamers and VR, from $2199by Anton Shilov on March 17, 2016 5:00 PM EST
We originally laid eyes on the final design back at CES, but now MSI has begun to sell its Vortex gaming desktops in the US. The 6.5-liter systems resembles the design of Apple’s Mac Pro, using a singular fan and triangular core to pack a high-end CPU along with two GPUs and a lot of memory, offering impressive performance at a premium price.
When Apple introduced its current-generation Mac Pro a little more than two years ago, the company clearly demonstrated that it was possible to build a small form-factor workstation with two professional GPUs and a multi-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with only one fan. Since then, a number of PC makers have released high-end small form factor desktops in the mini-ITX form-factor, but all of them were equipped with multiple fans and were still larger than Apple’s Mac Pro, or traditionally looked like PCs such as ASUS' GR20. Last year MSI decided to take a leaf out of Apple’s book and develop a gaming PC that would borrow Mac Pro’s triangle arrangement of CPU and GPUs as well as round design with one blower fan. The company first demonstrated its Vortex desktop last fall and has been refining its system since then. MSI showcased near final version at CES with a heavy bent on virtual reality support, but were still tinkering with the final specifications. Now MSI is finally ready to ship the Vortex.
MXM Modules in play, showing Samsung GDDR5
MSI’s Vortex G65 platform is based on Intel’s Core i7-6700K processor as well as the Z170 chipset. With this combination, MSI will offer systems in two variants, with either two GeForce GTX 980 GPUs in SLI (the SLI-001) or GeForce GTX 960 GPUs in SLI (SLI-011). The MSI Vortex G65 systems are equipped with 32 or 16 GB of DDR4-2133 memory respectively, two 128 GB SSDs in RAID (M.2 form-factor with PCIe 3.0 x4 interface, no word on the exact models) and 1 TB HDD at 7200 RPM. The gaming machines also feature two Rivet Networks Killer Gigabit Ethernet E2400 controllers and one Killer Wireless-AC 1535 Wi-Fi controller (802.11ac) to support DoubleShot-X3 Pro as well as two Thunderbolt 3 ports (we're unsure if this is one controller or two at this point). As for external ports, the PCs have two TB 3, two DisplayPort 1.2, two HDMI 1.4 and four USB 3.0 connectors. No word on the audio codec, as the rear of the chassis only has headphone/microphone jacks.
There's no word if the TB3 ports also support USB 3.1, but given that it hasn't been advertised at this time we assume not. We can confirm that the TB3 ports do support USB 3.1.
The Vortex G65 systems from MSI heavily use custom-built hardware, such as the motherboard, cooling system, power supply and so forth. Nonetheless, they still use standard Intel’s LGA1151 processors, MXM graphics modules for the GPUs, PCIe SSDs, SO-DIMM modules for memory and so on, which sounds as if they can be easily upgraded at MSI select partners and retailers (in fact, select MSI’s partners can even upgrade MXM modules). Still, owners should keep in mind that the PCs are equipped with 450W PSUs, perhaps indicating that the parts on offer are specially binned for the low power/voltage characteristics needed for the Vortex. The Vortex G65 platform should fully support overclocking, but given thermal and power consumption constraints, it is hard to expect the Vortex G65 to be a good overclocker, but that is a natural trade-off between performance, style and size.
|Specifications of MSI Vortex G65 and Apple Mac Pro|
|MSI Vortex G65
|MSI Vortex G65
|Apple Mac Pro|
|CPU||Intel Core i7-6700K
Quad Core, 4.0 GHz with HT
|Intel Xeon E5-1650 v2
Six Core at 3.5 GHz
|PCH||Intel Z170||Intel C602/C604|
|RAM||4 SO-DIMM Slots
2 x 8 GB DDR4-2133
|4 SO-DIMM Slots
4 x 8 GB DDR4-2133
|16 GB DDR3-1866|
|GPU||2 x NVIDIA GeForce
GTX 960 (GTX 970M?)
|2 x NVIDIA GeForce
GTX 980 (notebook?)
|2 x AMD FirePro
D500 3 GB
2 x 128 GB PCIe 3.0 x4 SSDs plus
|256 GB PCIe|
|HDD||1 TB HDD with 7200 RPM spindle speed||-|
|LAN||2x Rivet Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet controllers||2x Gigabit Ethernet|
|WLAN||Rivet Killer Wireless-AC-1535 802.11ac
Wi-Fi + Bluetooth (2T2R) with MU-MIMO
|PSU||450 W internal, 80 Plus Gold|
|DisplayPort||2 x DP 1.2||6 x TB2|
|HDMI||2 x HDMI 1.4||-|
|Thunderbolt||2 x TB3 via Type-C||6 x TB2|
|USB||4 x USB 3.0|
|2 x USB 3.1 via TB3||-|
|Dimensions||7.61 x 7.01 x 10.55"||6.6 x 6.6 x 9.9"|
|Weight||8.8 lbs (4 kilograms)||11 lbs (5 kilograms)|
It is worth noting that there are two really interesting things here with the GPUs on offer. Firstly, the GTX 980 in 8 GB form, as far as we can tell, has not been formally announced or released by NVIDIA. So either MSI is creating its own MXM module for this as an AIB partner, or they've pre-empted an NVIDIA announcement, or the part is a GTX 980 (notebook) with 8 GB of memory, which is currently listed at OriginPC. We had feared this was the 980M, which has 25% fewer CUDA cores, but is more common in 8GB form. Using the GTX 980 (notebook) variant makes sense, with a given TDP of 145 W per card, rather than 165 W per card on the desktop variant.
Next, on the GTX 960 side: MSI puts the total VRAM at 6 GB for the SLI system, meaning 3 GB per card, which would imply a 192-bit bus. No GTX 960 variant has a 192-bit bus, nor does the GTX 960M, which means this is either a new unreleased version of the GTX 960 with an unbalanced memory allocation (which has happened before) or something more akin to a GTX 970M which does have a 192-bit bus, but they're calling it a GTX 960. It's an interesting mix of information here. We've asked for clarification.
Update from MSI: For the GTX980 SLI, this is the MXM version (not the GTX980M but the GTX980). We are using the same graphics card as in our GT80 TITAN SLI. For the GTX960 SLI we are also using is the MXM version. Same MXM card we are using on the GTX970M. Since this is a “desktop” product, Nvidia new naming rule will not have the “M” in there and kick down the number to 960 [and so it has the same specifications as the GTX970M as far as CUDA cores/ROPs - ed].
The MSI Vortex G65 system also comes with Dragon Center dashboard application, which allows to customize lighting of the PC case, monitor system performance, launch utilities and apps, fine-tune the system with personalized profiles and so on. Nahimic audio is also bundled in the package.
MSI positions its Vortex G65 machines as SFF PCs capable of handling virtual reality games. The two graphics adapters can drive up to four monitors (and with Thunderbolt can connect to up to six displays), hence the system can be used not only for entertainment but also for work. At present MSI does not position its Vortex for professional applications, but it should not be a problem to build a workstation-class system of similar dimensions for the company and we would imagine some top-tier customers are already inquiring.
MSI charges $2199 for the Vortex G65 SLI-011 system with two GeForce GTX 960 graphics adapters. The top-of-the-range Vortex G65 SLI-002 with GTX 980 in SLI costs $3999, which is in line with the price of an advanced Apple Mac Pro.
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Le Geek - Thursday, March 17, 2016 - linkI am not sure if a 450w PSU can drive two 980tis and a 6700k under full load.
Le Geek - Thursday, March 17, 2016 - linkSorry I meant 980s.
edzieba - Friday, March 18, 2016 - linkA 300W supply can comfortably power a 980 (desktop) and 6600k, plus a 3.5W drive and ODD. Drop the motorised drives and add an extra 150W, and powering an extra 980 is not an impossible task.
Checking the serial number ("MS-1W0H1") on the pictured boards indicates they are indeed the 980m and not the full 980 MXM, making the task even easier.
Le Geek - Friday, March 18, 2016 - linkDespite sharing a similar tdp, the 6700k consumes a good 40-50 watt more power than the 6600k. That being said, if the gpus are indeed 980ms then driving this rig would not be a problem for that psu.
Valantar - Friday, March 18, 2016 - linkThat depends entirely on binning, voltages and thermal/power limits. I'd bet MSI is equipping this with low power binned CPUs (to the extent that's possible) and have stricter than usual thermal limits.
Also, as mentioned in the updated article, the GTX 980 (MXM version) has a TDP of 145W. Sure, Maxwell 2 easily spikes up to 250W+, but only for a few ms. TDP for Maxwell 2 cards is roughly equal to average power draw under very heavy loads. So even with 2 SSDs (~5W each under heavy write loads), an i7-6700K and a 3-4W HDD, this should be fine. As long as the PSU is up to modern standards (which it kind of needs to be to fit within that case), it'll handle those loads just fine for years. No real world gaming workload stresses CPU, GPU and drives 100% over any amount of time. My guess would be that this will draw ~350W average while gaming.
Meaker10 - Sunday, March 20, 2016 - linkLooking at the markings on the horribly photoshopped render.... tells you not much.
guidryp - Thursday, March 17, 2016 - linkI love the single big fan idea, but I really don't like SLI at all. I would prefer a single GPU version of something like this.
Valantar - Friday, March 18, 2016 - linkAgreed. They should have an option for a single 980 version. Although seeing how they're positioning this for VR, that's probably not happening. After all, VR is a situation where SLI/CFX scaling might come close to 100%.
lilkwarrior - Thursday, March 24, 2016 - linkIt would've made no sense to not use SLI here. All the upcoming APIs and 3D use cases make effective use of SLI (VR, Vulkan, DX12, new games on the latter two APIs moving forward, & etc), and you can always dedicate one to particular effects if a program doesn't make most of two.
Most productive apps know what to do with two GPUs at the end of the day, making it's a no-brainer if you're going to pay this much.
WatcherCK - Thursday, March 17, 2016 - linkSuper sweet looking trashcan MSI :) $3999 though, what dream machine could you build for that kind of cash :( Can anyone tell me what relevance Killer connectivity have nowadays, I know they usually get a bad rap (due to Intel having figured out how to wirelessly or wire connect machines to other machines for quote some time now.)
Pascal with HBA2 and the (hopefully) associated thermal savings would be a great companion discrete GPU wise for this platform, cant wait to see what performance Green and Red bring out later in the year!
Also, interesting comparison Anton to the Mac Pro, should MSI be worried about Apple coming after them with their Samsung busting (or not or yes maybe or ...) legal team? Apple are very proactive about protecting their IP right?