And go read on Tomshardware how the high end Intel CPUs are not reaching their Boost clocks, they are capped at 4Ghz instead of 4.5Ghz. AMD is also much cheaper than Intel and has better ST AND waay better MT performance. Enjoy your overpriced slow 4 cores throttling Intel.
Why are you making the arguments used against Bulldozer? It's quite well known that Zen 2 cores are very competitive against Skylake+++++++++++++, and on par with Ice Lake. Also, real life usage undoubtedly uses more and more cores - notably, Intel's stupid marketing "benchmarks" are all applications that don't even load CPU. Nobody is buying an expensive laptop to use Microsoft Edge - you can do that on a $300 potato. And based on what we know, 4% is very reasonable given desktop Zen 2 performance. Without a chipset, the IO die, and reduction of other things, Renoir is very likely able to achieve that.
And 4% was from Cinebench R20 1t. Love how Intel fanboys paraded their cinebench dong when Bulldozer was getting quashed in FP perf compared to Sandy - and now that we have AMD leading in FP performance suddenly it's the literal worst? Idk, it's a pretty good representation of compute performance of a CPU, and now that 4000 supports LPDDR4-4266 we can be assured that memory is pretty good too...
Exactly that. And the leaked benchmarks from weeks ago have been confirmed for better or for worst -- a 4c/8t ICL is about as good as 8c/8t AMD, but way more power efficient... BUT a whole bunch of AMD brainwashed fanatics will tell you otherwise, I'm sure.
Rofl, so you'll trust a single potentially leaked pre-release bench with absolutely no context & countless unchecked variables more than AMD's officially provided numbers? And you call ME a stupid fanboy??? O_____O
About the only way I can respond to that level of absurdity is to laugh my freaking ass off.
Their pre-release estimates for Zen *under-represented* the performance gains from 'dozer, and they did the same again from Zen to Zen+. Their marketing slides from the releases were all borne out by independent benchmarks.
That's why Ryzen 3000 CPUs are selling like hotcakes on the desktop.
So... we should trust a random leak on the internet over AMD's official slides?
AMD uses these slides as both a means to sell to us, the consumer, and to their investors. They may be cherry picked, but they're also as truthful as they can be.
There's a laundry list of things Intel have done to downplay the Zen arch.
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Zizo007 - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
And go read on Tomshardware how the high end Intel CPUs are not reaching their Boost clocks, they are capped at 4Ghz instead of 4.5Ghz. AMD is also much cheaper than Intel and has better ST AND waay better MT performance. Enjoy your overpriced slow 4 cores throttling Intel.Sub31 - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
Why are you making the arguments used against Bulldozer? It's quite well known that Zen 2 cores are very competitive against Skylake+++++++++++++, and on par with Ice Lake. Also, real life usage undoubtedly uses more and more cores - notably, Intel's stupid marketing "benchmarks" are all applications that don't even load CPU. Nobody is buying an expensive laptop to use Microsoft Edge - you can do that on a $300 potato. And based on what we know, 4% is very reasonable given desktop Zen 2 performance. Without a chipset, the IO die, and reduction of other things, Renoir is very likely able to achieve that.And 4% was from Cinebench R20 1t. Love how Intel fanboys paraded their cinebench dong when Bulldozer was getting quashed in FP perf compared to Sandy - and now that we have AMD leading in FP performance suddenly it's the literal worst? Idk, it's a pretty good representation of compute performance of a CPU, and now that 4000 supports LPDDR4-4266 we can be assured that memory is pretty good too...
And what exactly is so bad about Adrenaline?
Korguz - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
sub31.. yep..if intel does it its fine... if amd does it.. its a federal offence.. look at the power usage pre zen.. vs now....mdriftmeyer - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Coleagues of mine at Intel all agree--they have nothing to compete against AMD. But you keep thinking Intel has a bright future.msroadkill612 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
If they did, you would think they would have mentioned it at CES - nope - zip.LogitechFan - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Exactly that. And the leaked benchmarks from weeks ago have been confirmed for better or for worst -- a 4c/8t ICL is about as good as 8c/8t AMD, but way more power efficient... BUT a whole bunch of AMD brainwashed fanatics will tell you otherwise, I'm sure.Cooe - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Rofl, so you'll trust a single potentially leaked pre-release bench with absolutely no context & countless unchecked variables more than AMD's officially provided numbers? And you call ME a stupid fanboy??? O_____OAbout the only way I can respond to that level of absurdity is to laugh my freaking ass off.
timecop1818 - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
> AMD's officially provided numbersyea those have NEVER been wrong
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Cite a time when they've been wrong since 2016.Their pre-release estimates for Zen *under-represented* the performance gains from 'dozer, and they did the same again from Zen to Zen+. Their marketing slides from the releases were all borne out by independent benchmarks.
That's why Ryzen 3000 CPUs are selling like hotcakes on the desktop.
Xyler94 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
So... we should trust a random leak on the internet over AMD's official slides?AMD uses these slides as both a means to sell to us, the consumer, and to their investors. They may be cherry picked, but they're also as truthful as they can be.
There's a laundry list of things Intel have done to downplay the Zen arch.