Intel Haswell GT3e GPU Performance Compared to NVIDIA's GeForce GT 650M
by Anand Lal Shimpi on January 9, 2013 4:22 PM EST- Posted in
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- Intel
- Haswell
- Trade Shows
- CES 2013
Haswell isn't expected to launch until the beginning of June in desktops and quad-core notebooks, but Intel is beginning to talk performance. Intel used a mobile customer reference board in a desktop chassis featuring Haswell GT3 with embedded DRAM (the fastest Haswell GPU configuration that Intel will ship) and compared it to an ASUS UX15 with on-board NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
Despite the chassis difference, Intel claims it will be able to deliver the same performance from the demo today in an identical UX15 chassis by the time Haswell ships.
The video below shows Dirt 3 running at 1080p on both systems, with identical detail settings (High Quality presets, no AA, vsync off). Intel wouldn't let us report performance numbers, but subjectively the two looked to deliver very similar performance. Note that I confirmed all settings myself and ran both games myself independently of the demo. You can be the judge using the video below:
Intel wouldn't let us confirm clock speeds on Haswell vs. the Core i7 (Ivy Bridge) system, but it claimed that the Haswell part was the immediate successor to its Ivy Bridge comparison point.
As proof of Haswell's ability to fit in a notebook chassis, it did have another demo using older Haswell silicon running Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 in a notebook chassis.
Haswell GT3e's performance looked great for processor graphics. I would assume that overall platform power would be reduced since you wouldn't have a discrete GPU inside, however there's also the question of the cost of the solution. I do expect that NVIDIA will continue to drive discrete GPU performance up, but as a solution for some of the thinner/space constrained form factors (think 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display, maybe 11-inch Ultrabook/MacBook Air?) Haswell could be a revolutionary step forward.
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CeriseCogburn - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
Braindead fartboy much ?Somehow you morons jumped down to the not reviewed here HD4000....
I guess you people are so emotionally corrupt with amd fanboy brainfarts, that you just cannot follow along....
THIS HERE ARTICLE " Intel used a mobile customer reference board in a desktop chassis featuring Haswell GT3 "
MOBILE REF BOARD
Wwhat - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
"Intel wouldn't let us report performance numbers"See at that point you say 'OK we'll do a 4 line blurb then without video and pictures'
Spunjji - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
I wouldn't exactly call this an in-depth review..! Be fair to them, it's usually better to present the information you're given with context than to omit in entirely.CeriseCogburn - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
Wow another CEO boss from the ranks of the angry intel hating proletariat.Was it wrong for the dude to check all the settings himself then run the game on both, to make as certain as was possible it wasn't all a big fat sham ?
Sorry fascist, I'm glad the dude is out there, doing what the dude does.
Wwhat - Friday, January 11, 2013 - link
Do you even look at what you comment?CeriseCogburn - Sunday, January 13, 2013 - link
Yes I do, I read it all over and over again.You should all my comments too.
R3MF - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
in short, is this going to be available to average joe buying a 2013 ultrabook from best buy - every bog standard i3 and i5 ultrabook gets the same gpu as premium i7 SKU's - or will it be reserved to people dropping $1500 on a premium ultrabook?thebluephoenix - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
Pentiums and Celerons: GT1, 10 ShadersStandard mobile CPU-s: GT2 aka HD4600, 20 Shaders
High End CPUs: GT3 - 40 Shaders and Crystallwell eDRAM (~64MB).
R3MF - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
my worry is that the everyday Haswell i5 will only have the GT2 gpu, and that intel will break with Core series tradition in ensuring that all ultra-mobile parts come with the high-end gpu.if they have broken with this tradition it will be a great shame, and there are rumours that they have due to the expense of GT3.
from the PoV of someone with an i5 3217U ultrabook today, say $750, there would be little interest in haswell (GT2) and little incentive to upgrade.
mrdude - Thursday, January 10, 2013 - link
Don't forget the persistent throttling...Although a GT3 +eDRAM Haswell ULV chip sounds fantastic for a gaming Ultrabook, if the thing is still limited to 17W and doesn't have room to stretch its legs then all you've got is great hardware without the performance to match.
That's the only way Intel is going to get their Haswell and Ivy chips to below that 17W threshold: throttling. With HD4000 Ivy 17W ULVs there was some serious stuttering in gaming which the desktop and 45W mobile parts didn't have. Increasing the EUs and adding eDRAM is going to make that even worse. What you saw with the A15 throttling is what's going to happen on Intel's new low power chips (ULV included). Drop the clock speeds and throttle more aggressively to reach the target TDP.
A lot of mobile companies are selling us chips with high turbo clock claims but if it only sits there for a fraction of a second, who cares? It's false advertisement, imo :P For a GPU that's a pretty big deal, especially if your frame rates are all over the god damn place.