Performance Claims of Zen 2

At Computex, AMD announced that it had designed Zen 2 to offer a direct +15% raw performance gain over its Zen+ platform when comparing two processors at the same frequency. At the same time, AMD also claims that at the same power, Zen 2 will offer greater than a >1.25x performance gain at the same power, or up to half power at the same performance. Combining this together, for select benchmarks, AMD is claiming a +75% performance per watt gain over its previous generation product, and a +45% performance per watt gain over its competition.

These are numbers we can’t verify at this point, as we do not have the products in hand, and when we do the embargo for benchmarking results will lift on July 7th. AMD did spend a good amount of time going through the new changes in the microarchitecture for Zen 2, as well as platform level changes, in order to show how the product has improved over the previous generation.

It should also be noted that at multiple times during AMD’s recent Tech Day, the company stated that they are not interested in going back-and-forth with its primary competition on incremental updates to try and beat one another, which might result in holding technology back. AMD is committed, according to its executives, to pushing the envelope of performance as much as it can every generation, regardless of the competition. Both CEO Dr. Lisa Su, and CTO Mark Papermaster, have said that they expected the timeline of the launch of their Zen 2 portfolio to intersect with a very competitive Intel 10nm product line. Despite this not being the case, the AMD executives stated they are still pushing ahead with their roadmap as planned.

AMD 'Matisse' Ryzen 3000 Series CPUs
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Ryzen 9 3950X 16C 32T 3.5 4.7 8 MB 64 MB 16+4+4 3200 105W $749
Ryzen 9 3900X 12C 24T 3.8 4.6 6 MB 64 MB 16+4+4 3200 105W $499
Ryzen 7 3800X 8C 16T 3.9 4.5 4 MB 32 MB 16+4+4 3200 105W $399
Ryzen 7 3700X 8C 16T 3.6 4.4 4 MB 32 MB 16+4+4 3200 65W $329
Ryzen 5 3600X 6C 12T 3.8 4.4 3 MB 32 MB 16+4+4 3200 95W $249
Ryzen 5 3600 6C 12T 3.6 4.2 3 MB 32 MB 16+4+4 3200 65W $199

AMD’s benchmark of choice, when showcasing the performance of its upcoming Matisse processors is Cinebench. Cinebench a floating point benchmark which the company has historically done very well on, and tends to probe the CPU FP performance as well as cache performance, although it ends up often not involving much of the memory subsystem.

Back at CES 2019 in January, AMD showed an un-named 8-core Zen 2 processor against Intel’s high-end 8-core processor, the i9-9900K, on Cinebench R15, where the systems scored about the same result, but with the AMD full system consuming around 1/3 or more less power. For Computex in May, AMD disclosed a lot of the eight and twelve-core details, along with how these chips compare in single and multi-threaded Cinebench R20 results.

AMD is stating that its new processors, when comparing across core counts, offer better single thread performance, better multi-thread performance, at a lower power and a much lower price point when it comes to CPU benchmarks.

When it comes to gaming, AMD is rather bullish on this front. At 1080p, comparing the Ryzen 7 2700X to the Ryzen 7 3800X, AMD is expecting anywhere from a +11% to a +34% increase in frame rates generation to generation.

When it comes to comparing gaming between AMD and Intel processors, AMD stuck to 1080p testing of popular titles, again comparing similar processors for core counts and pricing. In pretty much every comparison, it was a back and forth between the AMD product and the Intel product – AMD would win some, loses some, or draws in others. Here’s the $250 comparison as an example:

Performance in gaming in this case was designed to showcase the frequency and IPC improvements, rather than any benefits from PCIe 4.0. On the frequency side, AMD stated that despite the 7nm die shrink and higher resistivity of the pathways, they were able to extract a higher frequency out of the 7nm TSMC process compared to 14nm and 12nm from Global Foundries.

AMD also made commentary about the new L3 cache design, as it moves from 2 MB/core to 4 MB/core. Doubling the L3 cache, according to AMD, affords an additional +11% to +21% increase in performance at 1080p for gaming with a discrete GPU.

There are some new instructions on Zen 2 that would be able to assist in verifying these numbers.

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  • Gastec - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link

    I'm 95% convinced that your micro-stuttering is caused by the GPU/drivers. Disable SLI or Crossfire if that's what you have (you never said what video card you use). And please stop trolling.
  • wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    Really? After all that I said about this... you think that you're 95% sure it's caused by GPU drivers and you want me to disable SLI or Crossfire? Really?
  • Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    have you even mentioned which vid card you are using, or what version the drivers are, or if they are up to date ??
  • Gastec - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link

    It could also be related to G-sync/FreeSync and your monitor. When debugging the best way is to reduce everything to a minimum.
  • wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    Really, dude? You think it's related to Gsyng and Freesync?
  • Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    it very well could be.. a little while ago.. there was a whole issue with micro stuttering and the fix.. was in new drivers after a certain revision...
  • wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    This is gonna be my last comment regarding my comment about Infinity Fabric High memory latency issue... an objective response would be "It could;" or, "it's quit possible;" or, "110 nanoseconds latency via cross-ccx-memory-performance is nothing to sneeze at or disregard or a non-issue;"

    instead, i get the replies above; which doesn't need to be repeated since one can just read them. but, just in case, the replies basically say I am trolling such as the most recent from user Gastec; and someone prior I jumped to my conclusion of pointing my scrawny little finger at Infinity Fabric high memory latency; someone plain said I didn't know what I was talking about; etc!

    So, I just wanna say that as my one last piece. It's odd no one has aired to the caution of objectivity and just plain responded with "It's possible..."

    Instead, we get the usual techligious/fanboyish responses.
  • Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    it doesnt help, you also havent cited any links or other proof of this other then your own posts... and i quote " And, there are people having head-scratching issues similar to me with Ryzen CPU. " oh.. and where are these other people ?? where are the links and URLs that show this ??? lastly.. IF you have a spare hdd ( ssd or mechanical ) that isnt in use that you could install windows on to, so you wont have to touch the current one you are using, try installing windows on to that, update windows as much as you can via windows update, update all drivers, and do the same things you are doing to get this issue.. and see if you still get it.. if you do.. then it isnt your current install of windows, and it is something else.
  • Carmen00 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link

    Qasar, Gastec et al, I appreciate that you're trying to educate wurizen but when you get responses like "bruh!" and "Really?", I think it's time to call it quits. Like HStewart, feeding wurizen will just encourage him and that makes it difficult to go through the comments and see the important ones. Trust that the majority of Anandtech's readership is indeed savvy enough to know pseudo-technical BS when we encounter it!
  • Qasar - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link

    well.. the fact that he didnt cite any one else with this problem, or links to forums/web pages.. kind of showed he was just trolling.. but i figured... was worth a shot to give him some sort of help....

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