How can it not be selfish when Facebook, Amazon and Google save data transmission capacity and compute power and use your phone and browser to mine all the personal information they sell or use?
They make you the product and have you pay for it, too!
Quite the opposite of altruism in my book. And completely unethical as well.
The amount of power consumed by client devices and telecoms far far far exceeds data center power consumption. If you can optimize at the client level, you can save way more energy than anything you can do in the datacenter. This is why we are seeing more and more special accelerators in consumer electronics when those same accelerators aren't as prevalent in the datacenter. That's an industry trend as a whole and has nothing to do with FB, Google, or Amazon specifically.
And for crying out loud, you don't get to complain about what they do with your data when you aren't paying for their services and still choose to use them. There's no such thing as a free lunch. There are plenty of alternative services to anything they offer that protect your privacy and give you more control over your data. It will cost more and will be less convenient, but if you care that much, surely you'll pay the cost?
Sure, this is an industry trend as a whole, but yes it has everything to do with FB, Google and Amazon specifically: They are the ones driving it and they do it, because they couldn't afford to spy as deeply on the unaware if they'd have to foot the energy bill.
And yes, you have every right to complain because they aren't telling you what they do and how they are making you pay for the new phone with the NN accelerator and the energy while they reap their profits in the insights they obtain from you.
Consumers in Europe have a right to be uneducated even stupid and still not be abused. I understand North Americans tend to believe it's ok to exploit the innocent and unaware, but that's why we need to apply the ground rules to the clouds and bleed Wild-West data cowboys until they faint or bow to reason or the liege.
We have such a rich history of punishement here in Europe, time to remember Circus Maximus and the fun we had since ;-)
The basic idea of using DRAM process for ALU computation has allready been exploited in the late 80s for embedded video processing: SVP: scan-line Video Processor-general purpose Video Processor
The SVP achieved a fast processing rate exceeding standard DSPs by integrating 1024 PEs (Processing Elements). 50 MHz operation in each PE in the SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) scheme is realized on two stage pipelines in the IG (Instruction Generator) and five stage pipelines in the PE CORE. With the realization of a 20 ns DRAM cycle in each PE and the system clock generated through a PLL, SVP enables full-spec-EDTV2 (the second generation Enhanced Definition Television in Japan).
The problem as it is for now at this time was not to replace conventional processors but to find the niche applications where the effektiv performances are real.
The DIMM shown has 16 chips. To support ECC would require 18 chips; 16 to hold the data being stored and 2 to hold the error correction codes.
It would certainly be possible to build a DIMM using 18 of their chips, but you couldn't do much in the way of computations with ECC enabled. The problem is updating the error correction codes when the memory data changes. The chips don't communicate with each other, so it is not possible to calculate the updated error correction codes from scratch; instead they have to be calculated using only the existing error correction codes. That means that the only operations that can be performed on ECC memory would be exclusive or and setting memory to a known constant value.
Hot DIMMs! Could be the first time since the days of FBDIMMs that RAMsinks would be anything other than cosmetic.
As for heat dissipation: for air-cooled served it may even be beneficial to shift some thermal load away from the CPU socket(s) to reduce potential for throttling. For CLC servers, 1U chassis might hit Z-height issues when adding WC blocks to vertical DIMM row, but otherwise there are off-the-shelf solutions for adding DIMMs to WC loops.
"The 14-stage pipeline us a basic in-order threaded CPU with dispatch/fetch/read/format/ALU/merge stages with access to the local SRAMs." "as" not "us": "The 14-stage pipeline as a basic in-order threaded CPU with dispatch/fetch/read/format/ALU/merge stages with access to the local SRAMs."
I am a lay-idiot. This sounds utterly friggin' awesome. Obviously, it's not going to be massively useful for the home gamer but for some people who play with massive datasets it's gonna be a gamechanger. Now, what I wanna know is two things: 1) how does this apply to my pr0n stash and 2) can it play Crysis yet?
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abufrejoval - Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - link
How can it not be selfish when Facebook, Amazon and Google save data transmission capacity and compute power and use your phone and browser to mine all the personal information they sell or use?They make you the product and have you pay for it, too!
Quite the opposite of altruism in my book. And completely unethical as well.
SaberKOG91 - Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - link
The amount of power consumed by client devices and telecoms far far far exceeds data center power consumption. If you can optimize at the client level, you can save way more energy than anything you can do in the datacenter. This is why we are seeing more and more special accelerators in consumer electronics when those same accelerators aren't as prevalent in the datacenter. That's an industry trend as a whole and has nothing to do with FB, Google, or Amazon specifically.And for crying out loud, you don't get to complain about what they do with your data when you aren't paying for their services and still choose to use them. There's no such thing as a free lunch. There are plenty of alternative services to anything they offer that protect your privacy and give you more control over your data. It will cost more and will be less convenient, but if you care that much, surely you'll pay the cost?
abufrejoval - Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - link
Sure, this is an industry trend as a whole, but yes it has everything to do with FB, Google and Amazon specifically: They are the ones driving it and they do it, because they couldn't afford to spy as deeply on the unaware if they'd have to foot the energy bill.And yes, you have every right to complain because they aren't telling you what they do and how they are making you pay for the new phone with the NN accelerator and the energy while they reap their profits in the insights they obtain from you.
Consumers in Europe have a right to be uneducated even stupid and still not be abused. I understand North Americans tend to believe it's ok to exploit the innocent and unaware, but that's why we need to apply the ground rules to the clouds and bleed Wild-West data cowboys until they faint or bow to reason or the liege.
We have such a rich history of punishement here in Europe, time to remember Circus Maximus and the fun we had since ;-)
bfredd9 - Friday, February 19, 2021 - link
The basic idea of using DRAM process for ALU computation has allready been exploited in the late 80s for embedded video processing: SVP: scan-line Video Processor-general purpose Video ProcessorThe SVP achieved a fast processing rate exceeding standard DSPs by integrating 1024 PEs (Processing Elements). 50 MHz operation in each PE in the SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) scheme is realized on two stage pipelines in the IG (Instruction Generator) and five stage pipelines in the PE CORE. With the realization of a 20 ns DRAM cycle in each PE and the system clock generated through a PLL, SVP enables full-spec-EDTV2 (the second generation Enhanced Definition Television in Japan).
The problem as it is for now at this time was not to replace conventional processors but to find the niche applications where the effektiv performances are real.
Chrishnaw - Monday, August 19, 2019 - link
Would adding ECC to the mix complicate this at all, or would the in-memory processing be completely unaffected by ECC?Will this ever come to the consumer space, or is this strictly for enterprise computing?
KAlmquist - Thursday, August 22, 2019 - link
The DIMM shown has 16 chips. To support ECC would require 18 chips; 16 to hold the data being stored and 2 to hold the error correction codes.It would certainly be possible to build a DIMM using 18 of their chips, but you couldn't do much in the way of computations with ECC enabled. The problem is updating the error correction codes when the memory data changes. The chips don't communicate with each other, so it is not possible to calculate the updated error correction codes from scratch; instead they have to be calculated using only the existing error correction codes. That means that the only operations that can be performed on ECC memory would be exclusive or and setting memory to a known constant value.
edzieba - Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - link
Hot DIMMs! Could be the first time since the days of FBDIMMs that RAMsinks would be anything other than cosmetic.As for heat dissipation: for air-cooled served it may even be beneficial to shift some thermal load away from the CPU socket(s) to reduce potential for throttling. For CLC servers, 1U chassis might hit Z-height issues when adding WC blocks to vertical DIMM row, but otherwise there are off-the-shelf solutions for adding DIMMs to WC loops.
ballsystemlord - Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - link
On misspelling ( Keep up the good work! ):"The 14-stage pipeline us a basic in-order threaded CPU with dispatch/fetch/read/format/ALU/merge stages with access to the local SRAMs."
"as" not "us":
"The 14-stage pipeline as a basic in-order threaded CPU with dispatch/fetch/read/format/ALU/merge stages with access to the local SRAMs."
philehidiot - Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - link
I am a lay-idiot. This sounds utterly friggin' awesome. Obviously, it's not going to be massively useful for the home gamer but for some people who play with massive datasets it's gonna be a gamechanger. Now, what I wanna know is two things: 1) how does this apply to my pr0n stash and 2) can it play Crysis yet?Rudde - Wednesday, August 21, 2019 - link
1) It depends on how much you are going to shift and rotate your stash.2) No. It doesn't support vector instruction (among other things).