The "Smartphone for Snapdragon Insiders" vs ROG5 Preview: Branded vs Original
by Andrei Frumusanu on August 16, 2021 10:00 AM ESTDisplay Measurement
The display of the SSI is generally no different from the ROG Phone 5 – which in turn wasn’t much of a change form the ROG Phone III. At 2448 x 1080 on a 6.78” it’s not quite the sharpest and naturally doesn’t compete with newer QHD 120Hz devices on the market, however it’s still enough for most people.
The phone really lacks any kind of modern panel technologies, such as VRR, and it’s also notable that it has worse viewing angles, which I suspect is due to the glass substrate OLED panel.
Colour calibrations is identical to the ASUS ROG Phone 5 – and comes with the same software options for customisation. We’re measuring the “Standard” preset which targets sRGB colour space for general content.
We move on to the display calibration and fundamental display measurements of the Smartphone for Snapdragon Insiders screen. As always, we thank X-Rite and SpecraCal, as our measurements are performed with an X-Rite i1Pro 2 spectrophotometer, with the exception of black levels which are measured with an i1Display Pro colorimeter. Data is collected and examined using Portrait Display's CalMAN software.
In terms of brightness, manual maximum brightness goes to 450 nits, which when in automatic brightness mode and under brightly lit environmental conditions, the device goes up to 734 nits full screen white. It’s a generally very competitive screen, though not quite up to par with cutting-edge devices.
In terms of greyscale colour accuracy, the phone has one of the most perfect D65 white points I’ve ever seen in a device at 6524K, so a big applause for ASUS there. Unfortunately, the gamma isn’t great, and is consistently higher than the 2.2 target one uses for consumer content.
What this means is that tones, particularly at lower intensities, will look darker than they’re supposed to.
The phone does adequately in the saturations accuracy, however we see that reds are off-hue, and in general mid-point levels on all colours are undersaturated.
The GMB patches of common tones and skin tones actually fares well for the SSI when it comes to colours themselves, with a dEITP of 2.17 when luminance compensated, but because of the higher gamma target, we’re seeing the aggregate score be quite bad, and we see the differences in the colour comparator strip.
In general, the screen of the Smartphone for Snapdragon Insiders is essentially identical to that of the ROG Phone 5. The problem is that that panel wasn’t very competitive in the 2021 device landscape. Rather low resolution for the device size, non-competitive viewing angles due to a cheaper glass substrate OLED panel, and the lack of any power saving features make this a strictly 2019 era flagship screen. That’s just not really a fitting combination for a $1500 phone.
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Spunjji - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Willing to bet that the image samples on that DXOMark review won't gel with the official rating...Kangal - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Came here to say the same thing.I expect QC to be worse than ASUS in photography, or at the best; not much better.
The ASUS RoG 5, gets so much right that it is one of the best phones of 2021. My only suggestions would be to make it smaller and lighter, better ergonomics, durability upgrades, perhaps IP68 certification, more available/affordable, and have better software support (AndroidOne? Bootloader?). Overall, its great and only outdone by the Sony phones.
s.yu - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Actually they may well do, I think they're cherry-picking the samples in recent years, at least for certain devices. Perception could be manipulated by manually discarding samples with minor focusing errors, vibrations, AWB issues, questionable lighting etc. and that could matter more than the actual performance of the device.Of course anybody could do that, but it's DXO we're talking about.
Mil0 - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
Review is posted https://www.dxomark.com/smartphone-for-snapdragon-...It seems like dxomark reviewed the phone themselves, and they did find some issues with the algorithms.
BAllen - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Most people don't know that the Adreno 660 is just a 5nm overclocked Adreno 650. They both have the same 1,024 ALU count and design. The Adreno 650/+ runs at 540MHz-670MHz depending on the phone. The Adreno 660 runs at 840MHz. With these SOC's performance scales almost perfect. Each 100MHz clock bump gives the GPU a 100GFlops of FP32 compute. The Adreno 650/+ is rated at 1.2TFlops-1.38TFlops FP32. The Adeno 660 is rated at 1.78TFlops FP32. So you see the picture. And yes i said TFlops. Phones now have 1Teraflop+ GPU's. What's even better is a SD865 device with an Adreno 650 that holds a sustained clock can basically match a overheating, throttling 660.BAllen - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Also, the ROG 5's 2Vrms 3.5mm headphone jack uses the latest 32bit ESS SABRE qDAC and can push 700Ω 🎧. That with a 6000mAh battery and dual USB-C 3.1 has HDMI and MicroSD storage. So, its basically an upgrade for LG users. Though, i'm plenty happy with my modded LG v60 running A11 and Note 20 U5. The SD865/+ is all anyone would actually ever need for the next 5 years. That's why i bought 2 of each. With the v60 only costing $350-$400 new and the Note 20 UG at $600, who could pass on those deals. I got one v60 basically running at a HTPC hooked up to my LG OLED with a 512GB MicroSD loaded up.Kangal - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
It's been a while since I've looked into the iGPU performance of phones.But with figures like that, it's pretty close to the power of the XB1 and PS4. Impressive. Not to mention, it getting access to newer software/hardware features, and using a more powerful CPU, you could argue they're even closer to that mainstream-2013-benchmark. Well, that is if you actually dock the phone and give it a steady supply of electricity and use some sort of Active Cooling to regulate it.
Then you have Apple. They might actually be more powerful (slightly) than last-gen console's performance. Add the SteamDeck to the conversation, and it's a good time to be a mobile gamer.
zodiacfml - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
dont know whats going with Q these days. they should have Apple M1 like hardware by now but no, we get this 🤮abufrejoval - Tuesday, August 17, 2021 - link
Looks like you're trying to get somebody fired.Just sure hope it's not you!
CyborgAlienRay - Wednesday, August 18, 2021 - link
I wouldn't waste $1500 on an alpha device that's not even remarkable by any means, let alone one with no 3.5mm jack or can remain cool, or have removable memory, the additional headphones are worthless for me, so what about 16GB DRAM, the fact it's got 512GB of ReadOnlyMemory is great but, still not for the additional $500. Wishy-washy camera, overheating, and complete 5G networks doesn't add up to $1400, the rest are boring stats, it even doesn't have the next gen of processors in it, which may have gone a long ways but, still not worth that. Even looks cheap, not sure if that's a Qualcomm decision or an Asus one but, someone dropped the leaded loaded iron ball on someone's head on that one for sure.