If you are going to compare image quality, what is the basis of comparison? That means that a reference (software) renderer is needed. But even then, choosing right technique means ones need to draw extremely detailed scenes similar to CAD programs, but such renditions will be too slow. And of course, there's the issue of how to objectively define the 'right' way vs. 'wrong' way of optimization in ways that most can agree, and can be done by computers.
In any case, we can't afford yet another GPU benchmark that is easily exploited (in bad ways, that is).
Nice start.
I get frustrated by companies that delay support for <5% of the market because of small numbers when its the lack of support that is causing the low numbers. If ATI improved the drivers for linux then more people would use their existing ATI cards under linux and more importantly more people will buy ATI for their linux system instead of Nvidia. It's the issue of "what came first, the chicken or the egg", when their attitude should be more like "build it and they will come".
Just a quick question here, as I see a potential performance issue with the "hacked" OpenGL/SDL framerate utility. You mention that the software will automatically capture screen shots periodically. That ought to increase the demand on the HDD and potentially the rest of the system for brief instants when the screen captures are done. Hopefully there will be multiple benchmarking runs done, one with the screen captures and one without. Although, I suppose we have to see what sort of difference the screen captures actually make in performance first. :)
I agree with fic. I'm going to buy a new AMD64 system and I will get Nvidia just because their linux support is way superior than ATi's, although ATi does make better cards.
I hope you can add some 2D benchmarks as well, since, for example, the 2D performance of the ATI drivers really suck! A 2D perf. benchmark should involve also use of Render, text antialiasing and such to be representative.
Anyway, thank you, it's nice to see some attention to the Linux world from you :-)
Probably the big reason that only 4% of owners of ATI cards run linux is that their support sucks. This is a self fulfilling thing. ATI doesn't support linux therefore if you are going to run linux you don't use ATI. I image that a huge percentage of linux users use Nvidia because they have decent drivers.
Well. I hope this type of benchmark didnt effect the continuos windows benchmarks. As the ATI said this week, 4% of owers of ati cards run linux, so, not much people want to see linux benchmarks, unless they are better than windows ones.
#12, as they mentioned in the article, that was with FRAPS...FRAPS does not run on linux, and, IIRC, can give invalid results sometimes. The point of this tool was gpu benchmarking for linux. Only as a side note did they say they might port it to windows.
Very nice work...nice to see some linux stuff going on here ;)
Maybe this will invigorate ATI to make better drivers for linux...Image IQ + speed of drivers are terrible - In my informal tests on a radeon 9000np, the linux drivers have about 1/4 the image IQ/speed of the windows versions...
Perhaps people need to know where OpenGL came from, hint, perhaps OPEN can help you with that. And then figure out that Linux can run OpenGL games just fine.
I cannot wait for the Linux gpu roundup. I have already been waiting in anticipation for weeks since I first heard there was gonna be one.
I know most people do not feel linux is a gaming OS but it is the only OS I use and I use it mainly for gaming so this should be very informative for someone like me.
I must applaud Anandtech for there early adoption in doing reviews on linux and putting out consistent reviews over time.
Thx, Anandtech, your the #1 tech site on the web imo.
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If you are going to compare image quality, what is the basis of comparison? That means that a reference (software) renderer is needed. But even then, choosing right technique means ones need to draw extremely detailed scenes similar to CAD programs, but such renditions will be too slow. And of course, there's the issue of how to objectively define the 'right' way vs. 'wrong' way of optimization in ways that most can agree, and can be done by computers.In any case, we can't afford yet another GPU benchmark that is easily exploited (in bad ways, that is).
tygrus - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - link
Nice start.I get frustrated by companies that delay support for <5% of the market because of small numbers when its the lack of support that is causing the low numbers. If ATI improved the drivers for linux then more people would use their existing ATI cards under linux and more importantly more people will buy ATI for their linux system instead of Nvidia. It's the issue of "what came first, the chicken or the egg", when their attitude should be more like "build it and they will come".
TrogdorJW - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - link
Just a quick question here, as I see a potential performance issue with the "hacked" OpenGL/SDL framerate utility. You mention that the software will automatically capture screen shots periodically. That ought to increase the demand on the HDD and potentially the rest of the system for brief instants when the screen captures are done. Hopefully there will be multiple benchmarking runs done, one with the screen captures and one without. Although, I suppose we have to see what sort of difference the screen captures actually make in performance first. :)raylpc - Saturday, September 25, 2004 - link
I agree with fic. I'm going to buy a new AMD64 system and I will get Nvidia just because their linux support is way superior than ATi's, although ATi does make better cards.aaime - Saturday, September 25, 2004 - link
I hope you can add some 2D benchmarks as well, since, for example, the 2D performance of the ATI drivers really suck! A 2D perf. benchmark should involve also use of Render, text antialiasing and such to be representative.Anyway, thank you, it's nice to see some attention to the Linux world from you :-)
fic - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Probably the big reason that only 4% of owners of ATI cards run linux is that their support sucks. This is a self fulfilling thing. ATI doesn't support linux therefore if you are going to run linux you don't use ATI. I image that a huge percentage of linux users use Nvidia because they have decent drivers.Brule - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Great article. That's why they call it computer "science". Looking forward to the results on a personal linux-using level as well.javalino - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Well. I hope this type of benchmark didnt effect the continuos windows benchmarks. As the ATI said this week, 4% of owers of ati cards run linux, so, not much people want to see linux benchmarks, unless they are better than windows ones.Illissius - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Amazing. I've been looking for a tool like this for Linux for ages. Gimme now! Gimme now!yelo333 - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
#12, as they mentioned in the article, that was with FRAPS...FRAPS does not run on linux, and, IIRC, can give invalid results sometimes. The point of this tool was gpu benchmarking for linux. Only as a side note did they say they might port it to windows.AlphaFox - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
I recall seeing these graphs in past reviews, is this really new?yelo333 - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Very nice work...nice to see some linux stuff going on here ;)Maybe this will invigorate ATI to make better drivers for linux...Image IQ + speed of drivers are terrible - In my informal tests on a radeon 9000np, the linux drivers have about 1/4 the image IQ/speed of the windows versions...
Jalf - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Wow, great work... :)So, now you just need to port it to Windows as well... ;)
bdykes - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Nice article! Is there any chance of making the benchmark tool available for download? :)bdykes - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
mercador - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Anyone knows when it will be the next PC round up?mercador - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Really good work, hope to see the mext round up, very anxious to choose a gfx card using your methodKeep the good work
sprockkets - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Perhaps people need to know where OpenGL came from, hint, perhaps OPEN can help you with that. And then figure out that Linux can run OpenGL games just fine.appu - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
You guys are fantastic! Carry on the good work, and yes, I'm really looking forward to the final roundup.skiboysteve - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
this is absolutly excellent workMNKyDeth - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
I cannot wait for the Linux gpu roundup. I have already been waiting in anticipation for weeks since I first heard there was gonna be one.I know most people do not feel linux is a gaming OS but it is the only OS I use and I use it mainly for gaming so this should be very informative for someone like me.
I must applaud Anandtech for there early adoption in doing reviews on linux and putting out consistent reviews over time.
Thx, Anandtech, your the #1 tech site on the web imo.
Avalon - Friday, September 24, 2004 - link
Although not a Linux user, I find this a much more informative approach to benching video cards. If it's worth anything, I approve wholeheartedly.