Definitely interested in this one. I have an original Dell Venue 11 Pro with the silvermont based CPU and love it. With the mobility keyboard it lasted a full 10 hour plane ride with a bit to spare. If they can get a Core-M version to go 10 hours I think its time for an upgrade. Hopefully Anandtech does a review (*wink wink*)
Hopefully this one won't have as many problems as the Venue Pro 11 7130 (Haswell). That one had horrible issues when using the dock. They just now are finally fixing the remaining ones.
My Venue Pro 11 5130 (Bay Trail) also has a couple annoying issues that I'm waiting to be fixed. (If ever?) Goes to sleep and never wakes up, short of resetting it which works most of the time. Iffy wireless sometimes. Keyboard cover loses sync and needs to be re-attached periodically to jump-start it, also hard to type on.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I had 2 of the Haswell ones and both were the same - serious dock and waking from sleep issues (including total battery drain). It was a shame as it had the potential to be a great value Surface Pro beater while also being a usable laptop.
Ugh, I've kind of heard of issues like that too, which is too bad. I hope they nailed them with this one... I don't have issues with my normal Dell notebook/desktop systems.
I pretty much want this as an ereader+, so the lack of a fan is mandatory for me.
I think the Surface line is trouble free though, and surely they'll do a Core M version soonish...
Or honestly, I'd be fine with an Atom version, I just want x86 without a fan.
Seems they just failed to have a 2-factor authentication system on this one: someone that could your card when you wear it could also make a copy of your fingerprint on the same exact moment. This is not 2-factor authentification.
1) I'm just curious how Broadwell-Y is doing there in terms of thermals and practical obtained performance (read: practical frequency range). It would be interesting to know.
2) Also, generally it would be interesting to compare Haswell vs Broadwell clock per clock in various benchmarks (around 5-6% improvement is expected according to Intel Broadwell core slide in their Core M presentation), though I guess it won't be possible with these Y parts (at least, with frequencies other than idle 800 MHz); one has to wait for desktop CPUs to fixate the same frequencies for Haswell and Broadwell CPUs on, say, Z97 motherboard and actually do the clock-per-clock comparison.
As an offtop, is there any info on forthcoming Skylake CPU core? Seems to be no meaningful info regarding Skylake CPU core on the Web as of yet.
Regarding 2): sweclockers just tried to compare Broadwell and Haswell clock-per-clock and got just 3% improvement (not even 5-6% clock-per-clock), if somebody is interested.
Hey, 3% isn't bad if it's basically just a die shrunk Haswell with slightly better GPU. If they can really cram these in systems similar to Atom/ARM systems, that's amazing. (Of course second gen Atom is already pretty amazing, for a tablet chip...not quite sure why AMD isn't getting more design wins though)
Also of potential interest in that press release; in apparent response to Apple's pricing fo the retina iMac starting at $2500; Dell's cut the launch price for their upcoming 5k monitor from $2500 (initial announcement) to under $2000.
"At just 1.62 lbs, it is a bit heavier than an iPad Air 2, but with the power of a Core CPU."
Whaaaaaat ? A bit ? It's almost 70% heavier ! Heavier than the original iPad.... It even looks like a "tablet" from the pre-iPad era. And yes probably it will have a faster SoC because it's intel. But well A8X is a monster and not only that, it's a monster that doesn't need a lot of food.... So how much faster exactly is the core M ? 3-times ? 2-times ? 50% faster ? What's the sustained performance ? How well the HD5300 stacks aginst the GX6650 ? And most importantly does the added performance (if there is some) comes with lower efficiency than A8X ? And is just the added performance enough to outweigh the crippled formfactors ?
It's just as much about being able to run Windows native on the tablet without having to resort to remote desktop or developing custom software for iOS.
There are a lot of scenarios where an iPad simply won't be practical but a bulkier Windows tablet would be. I'm currently running a trial with AutoCad on the previous version and results so far are promising. Engineers love the fact that they can pull up a blueprint while being on site with a customer and make changes in realtime while keeping all their addons and so forth. Granted, real work is still done on workstations but for quick edits they seem to be quite useful.
The previous generation model offered a stylus as an optional accessory. None of the current model previews have mentioned it; which isn't a promising sign. It could just be lack of interest on the reviewer/marketing sample provider though.
It looks very interesting, but just out of my price range. I am a bit more interested in a thinner and lighter version with Airmont on board and 4GB of LPDDR3 in it. Hopefully with dock included that is something that can tickle $499-549.
In some ways I think I am spoiled by the bargin that is my T100...I'd just like a bit more CPU/GPU power, a little bit nicer build quality and 4GB of RAM.
I don't know if I'll buy one; after upgrading my desktop my computer budget is going to be rather drained, and Skylake might be out before I'm upto another big buy. My replacement for my (old atom powered) Envy x2 will probably be either based on Broadwell Y or it's Skylake equivalent. Now that the battery life is competitive with Atom, I'd rather have the extra CPU/GPU power available when needed.
When are these guys going to stop gouging the hell out of people with these outrageous cpu prices. If an atom tablet costs $X to make, then a Core M tablet should cost $X plus $100. So why the hell are there all these $300 atom tablets yet you switch the cpu to a core M and all the sudden its $700 wtf. I'm not stupid. I can do basic math. You cant say this isnt a total rip off.
Mostly, talk to Intel. They charge ~$250 more for broadwell-M than they do for atom (non-atom LV/ULV processors have always been a premium category). Storage is probably an extra $50ish on top of that; most of the atom ones have eMMC which is much slower than a normal SSD.
Beyond that, look at build quality. The lower end atom tablet/netbooks are mostly plastic and feel cheap. Add a solid metal chassis, better screen, etc and you're up to more like $500.
if i was an OEM id just ape the intel llama mountain design in 10 inches. at least then you're guaranteed to run to benchmarks, get less throttling, and be thinner to boot.
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Ikefu - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
Definitely interested in this one. I have an original Dell Venue 11 Pro with the silvermont based CPU and love it. With the mobility keyboard it lasted a full 10 hour plane ride with a bit to spare. If they can get a Core-M version to go 10 hours I think its time for an upgrade. Hopefully Anandtech does a review (*wink wink*)Chriz - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
Hopefully this one won't have as many problems as the Venue Pro 11 7130 (Haswell). That one had horrible issues when using the dock. They just now are finally fixing the remaining ones.nonoverclock - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
My Venue Pro 11 5130 (Bay Trail) also has a couple annoying issues that I'm waiting to be fixed. (If ever?) Goes to sleep and never wakes up, short of resetting it which works most of the time. Iffy wireless sometimes. Keyboard cover loses sync and needs to be re-attached periodically to jump-start it, also hard to type on.plewis00 - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I had 2 of the Haswell ones and both were the same - serious dock and waking from sleep issues (including total battery drain). It was a shame as it had the potential to be a great value Surface Pro beater while also being a usable laptop.Wolfpup - Monday, November 10, 2014 - link
Ugh, I've kind of heard of issues like that too, which is too bad. I hope they nailed them with this one... I don't have issues with my normal Dell notebook/desktop systems.I pretty much want this as an ereader+, so the lack of a fan is mandatory for me.
I think the Surface line is trouble free though, and surely they'll do a Core M version soonish...
Or honestly, I'd be fine with an Atom version, I just want x86 without a fan.
MrSpadge - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
"Goes to sleep and never wakes up"Same here with a Venue 8 Pro, fully updated.
iAPX - Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - link
Seems they just failed to have a 2-factor authentication system on this one: someone that could your card when you wear it could also make a copy of your fingerprint on the same exact moment. This is not 2-factor authentification.Mayuyu - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
I had to convert the kg to pounds myself :(Brett Howse - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
That's too bad you should have read the bottom paragraph where I listed the weight in pounds.james16 - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
Since this is targeted towards businesses, how's Linux support?Brett Howse - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
My guess is it works poorly. The previous one ran Linux fine except for the lack of WiFi, touch, and GPU support.TiGr1982 - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
Indeed, lack of WiFI and touch essentially already makes it useless in its original intended role :)MrSpadge - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
You're probalby better off to run that Linux in a VM and let Win take care of the fancy new hardware.TiGr1982 - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
1) I'm just curious how Broadwell-Y is doing there in terms of thermals and practical obtained performance (read: practical frequency range). It would be interesting to know.2) Also, generally it would be interesting to compare Haswell vs Broadwell clock per clock in various benchmarks (around 5-6% improvement is expected according to Intel Broadwell core slide in their Core M presentation), though I guess it won't be possible with these Y parts (at least, with frequencies other than idle 800 MHz); one has to wait for desktop CPUs to fixate the same frequencies for Haswell and Broadwell CPUs on, say, Z97 motherboard and actually do the clock-per-clock comparison.
As an offtop, is there any info on forthcoming Skylake CPU core?
Seems to be no meaningful info regarding Skylake CPU core on the Web as of yet.
TiGr1982 - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
Regarding 2): sweclockers just tried to compare Broadwell and Haswell clock-per-clock and got just 3% improvement (not even 5-6% clock-per-clock), if somebody is interested.Wolfpup - Monday, November 10, 2014 - link
Hey, 3% isn't bad if it's basically just a die shrunk Haswell with slightly better GPU. If they can really cram these in systems similar to Atom/ARM systems, that's amazing. (Of course second gen Atom is already pretty amazing, for a tablet chip...not quite sure why AMD isn't getting more design wins though)DanNeely - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
Also of potential interest in that press release; in apparent response to Apple's pricing fo the retina iMac starting at $2500; Dell's cut the launch price for their upcoming 5k monitor from $2500 (initial announcement) to under $2000.GC2:CS - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
"At just 1.62 lbs, it is a bit heavier than an iPad Air 2, but with the power of a Core CPU."Whaaaaaat ?
A bit ? It's almost 70% heavier ! Heavier than the original iPad.... It even looks like a "tablet" from the pre-iPad era.
And yes probably it will have a faster SoC because it's intel. But well A8X is a monster and not only that, it's a monster that doesn't need a lot of food....
So how much faster exactly is the core M ? 3-times ? 2-times ? 50% faster ?
What's the sustained performance ?
How well the HD5300 stacks aginst the GX6650 ?
And most importantly does the added performance (if there is some) comes with lower efficiency than A8X ?
And is just the added performance enough to outweigh the crippled formfactors ?
Speedfriend - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
How well the HD5300 stacks aginst the GX6650 ?We know the answer to this
Air 2 3D Mark 1.2 Unlimited - 21793
Core M reference tab - 49917
And given Apple never announces TDP it is hard to compare efficiency at the chip level versus overall platform efficiency.
OrphanageExplosion - Sunday, November 9, 2014 - link
That's a poor comparison because 3DMark Physics skews the overall benchmark down significantly. Apple's CPU cores can't cope with that very well: http://www.futuremark.com/pressreleases/understand...vectorm12 - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
It's just as much about being able to run Windows native on the tablet without having to resort to remote desktop or developing custom software for iOS.There are a lot of scenarios where an iPad simply won't be practical but a bulkier Windows tablet would be. I'm currently running a trial with AutoCad on the previous version and results so far are promising. Engineers love the fact that they can pull up a blueprint while being on site with a customer and make changes in realtime while keeping all their addons and so forth. Granted, real work is still done on workstations but for quick edits they seem to be quite useful.
Wolfpup - Monday, November 10, 2014 - link
That's just 0.16Lbs heavier than an iPad 3/4, which is nothing, and you're getting not just x86, but Intel's full blown x86 cores.There will be lighter ones, but this has a full USB port, etc.
duggukk - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
Will it have a Stylus like the Surface pro 3 ? and can we use it for working rigorously on Photoshop & Illustrator ..DanNeely - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
The previous generation model offered a stylus as an optional accessory. None of the current model previews have mentioned it; which isn't a promising sign. It could just be lack of interest on the reviewer/marketing sample provider though.bobbozzo - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
A stylus is listed under 'Accessories" athttp://www.dell.com/us/p/dell-venue-11-pro-7000-71...
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.a...
azazel1024 - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
It looks very interesting, but just out of my price range. I am a bit more interested in a thinner and lighter version with Airmont on board and 4GB of LPDDR3 in it. Hopefully with dock included that is something that can tickle $499-549.In some ways I think I am spoiled by the bargin that is my T100...I'd just like a bit more CPU/GPU power, a little bit nicer build quality and 4GB of RAM.
DanNeely - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
I don't know if I'll buy one; after upgrading my desktop my computer budget is going to be rather drained, and Skylake might be out before I'm upto another big buy. My replacement for my (old atom powered) Envy x2 will probably be either based on Broadwell Y or it's Skylake equivalent. Now that the battery life is competitive with Atom, I'd rather have the extra CPU/GPU power available when needed.Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
When are these guys going to stop gouging the hell out of people with these outrageous cpu prices. If an atom tablet costs $X to make, then a Core M tablet should cost $X plus $100. So why the hell are there all these $300 atom tablets yet you switch the cpu to a core M and all the sudden its $700 wtf. I'm not stupid. I can do basic math. You cant say this isnt a total rip off.DanNeely - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
Mostly, talk to Intel. They charge ~$250 more for broadwell-M than they do for atom (non-atom LV/ULV processors have always been a premium category). Storage is probably an extra $50ish on top of that; most of the atom ones have eMMC which is much slower than a normal SSD.DanNeely - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
Beyond that, look at build quality. The lower end atom tablet/netbooks are mostly plastic and feel cheap. Add a solid metal chassis, better screen, etc and you're up to more like $500.sonicmerlin - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
Really wish they could get it lighter.liahos1 - Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - link
if i was an OEM id just ape the intel llama mountain design in 10 inches. at least then you're guaranteed to run to benchmarks, get less throttling, and be thinner to boot.