Qualcomm Announces Snapdragon 865+: Breaking the 3GHz Thresholdby Andrei Frumusanu on July 8, 2020 9:30 AM EST
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Today Qualcomm is announcing an update to its extremely successful Snapdragon 865 SoC: the new Snapdragon 865+. The Snapdragon 865 had already seen tremendous success with over 140 different design wins, powering some of the best Android smartphone devices this year. We’re past the hectic spring release cycle of devices, and much like last year with the S855+, for the summer and autumn release cycle, Qualcomm is providing vendors with the option for a higher-performance binned variant of the chip, the new S865+. As a bit of a arbitrary, but also important characteristic of the new chip is that this is the first ever mobile silicon to finally pass the 3GHz frequency mark.
|Qualcomm Snapdragon Flagship SoCs 2020|
|CPU||1x Cortex A77
@ 2.84GHz 1x512KB pL2
3x Cortex A77
@ 2.42GHz 3x256KB pL2
4x Cortex A55
@ 1.80GHz 4x128KB pL2
4MB sL3 @ ?MHz
|1x Cortex A77
@ 3.1GHz 1x512KB pL2
3x Cortex A77
@ 2.42GHz 3x256KB pL2
4x Cortex A55
@ 1.80GHz 4x128KB pL2
4MB sL3 @ ?MHz
|GPU||Adreno 650 @ 587 MHz||Adreno 650 @ ?
|DSP / NPU||Hexagon 698
15 TOPS AI
|4x 16-bit CH
@ 2133MHz LPDDR4X / 33.4GB/s
@ 2750MHz LPDDR5 / 44.0GB/s
3MB system level cache
|ISP/Camera||Dual 14-bit Spectra 480 ISP
64MP ZSL or 2x 25MP ZSL
4K video & 64MP burst capture
|8K30 / 4K120 10-bit H.265
Dolby Vision, HDR10+, HDR10, HLG
720p960 infinite recording
(Paired with external X55 only)
(LTE Category 24/22)
DL = 2500 Mbps
7x20MHz CA, 1024-QAM
UL = 316 Mbps
3x20MHz CA, 256-QAM
(5G NR Sub-6 + mmWave)
DL = 7000 Mbps
UL = 3000 Mbps
We’ve come to know the Snapdragon 865 quite well over the last few months, detailing the performance of the chipset in our initial benchmark articles as well as a more extensive deep-dive in our Galaxy S20 review. The new Snapdragon 865+ is a new binned variant of the same chipset with higher peak frequencies on the part of the “prime” CPU as well as the GPU, promising +10% performance on both aspects.
The First Mobile Silicon to Break Past 3GHz – 3.1GHz Even
Whilst in relative terms the new chipset’s +10% clock improvement isn’t all that earth-shattering, in absolute terms it finally allows the new Snapdragon 865+ to be the first mobile SoC to break past the 3GHz threshold, slightly exceeding that mark at a peak 3.1GHz frequency. Ever since the Cortex-A75 generation we’ve seen Arm make claims about their CPU microarchitectures achieving such high clock frequencies – however in all those years actual silicon products by vendors never really managed to quite get that close in commercial mass-production designs.
We’ve had a chat with Qualcomm’s SVP and GM of mobile business Alex Katouzian, about how Qualcomm achieved this, and fundamentally it’s a combination of aggressive physical design of the product as well as improving manufacturing yields during the product’s lifecycle. Katouzian explained that they would have been able to achieve these frequencies on the vanilla Snapdragon 865 – but they would have had a lower quantity of products being able to meet this mark due to manufacturing variations. Yield improvements during the lifecycle of the Snapdragon 865 means that the company is able to offer this higher frequency variant now.
For context, in the mobile world, usually SoC SKUs are binned not by performance (clock-frequency), but by power (voltage variations). This comes in contrast to the desktop and server world where one single silicon design is binned by different performance SKUs, varying in frequencies or even functional blocks. In a sense, Qualcomm’s 855+ and 865+ are SKUs that expand the product line in the way that usual PC silicon vendors do. Other mobile vendors such as MediaTek for example also take advantage of such product segmentation by releasing a single silicon design as multiple product SKUs.
As to what this means for the power and efficiency of the new Snapdragon 865+: There will be a power increase to reach the higher frequencies, however this will only be linear with the increased clock speed, meaning energy efficiency of the new SoC will maintain the same excellent levels of that of the Snapdragon 865, so battery life will not be affected.
More + Designs This Year
This mid-year refresh was only introduced last year with the Snapdragon 855+, and while we’ve seen some vendors opt for the upgrade in their latest device releases, uptake was rather limited, with only a few handful more prominent devices such as the ASUS ROG Phone II.
This year, Qualcomm tells us that we should be expecting more adoption for the refreshed silicon, with more design wins. Amongst the publicly announced platforms today is naturally the AUSS ROG Phone 3, with full details on the phone to follow in the next couple of weeks. Lenovo is also part of the launch partners, promising to bring to market a smartphone under the Lenovo Legion branding.
Amongst other new novelties of the Snapdragon 865+ platform is the ability for vendors to bundle with the new FastConnect 6900 Wi-Fi chips from Qualcomm, the company’s new Wi-Fi 6 chipsets with 6GHz band capability (Wi-Fi 6E).
We’re looking forward to devices with the new Snapdragon 865+ in the coming weeks and months.
- Qualcomm Announces Snapdragon 855 Plus: A Higher Bin SKU
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- The Snapdragon 865 Performance Preview: Setting the Stage for Flagship Android 2020
- The Samsung Galaxy S20+, S20 Ultra Exynos & Snapdragon Review: Megalomania Devices
- The Snapdragon 855 Phone Roundup: Searching for the Best Implementations
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Quantumz0d - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkIt's a shame when these devices get EOLed after 2 years tops due to sealed battery designs. Why not all the phone companies create an open battery standard to give consumer free choice. Even in parallel universe it won't happen, sad fate of this industry forever leeching the consumer and making them dumbed down to consume the product every damn year for $1000.
Desktop machines or replaceable components laptops like MXM and rPGA/LGA live for more than a decade, thanks to the modularity and the mature Windows / Linux x86 ecosystem.
Wilco1 - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkModern batteries have improved dramatically, I have a 5-year old Galaxy S6 which has a very healthy battery despite being charged every other day. Even if your battery dies in less than 5 years (unlikely), there are plenty of shops which can replace it. So there is no need to make batteries user-replaceable.
Sharma_Ji - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkYeah, and battery replacements are cheap as hell, one from BBK costs under 20$ for 8 pro.
Could get one replaced every year.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkGood luck removing the old one from your tared and glued phone. Batteries should absolutely be a 30 second job.
Mikewind Dale - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkBatteries aren't replaceable anymore because consumers preferred thin and waterproof designs. There's a tradeoff between making the device compact and sealed, versus making it easily modified by the average end-user.
jimbo2779 - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkI dont prefer the thin style. I was complaining just yesterday about how fragile my phone is compared to that of about 6 years ago.
The phone I had then was dropped every few weeks and never cracked, barely scratched and screen was flawless. The fact the back plate and battery sprung from it when this happened just aided in dissipating the energy away from important components.
I miss my WP7.5 phone, I bet not many would say the same these days.
tuxRoller - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkUnless you "rich" (don't feel any attachment to your toys), or have perfect and non-varying control of your body, I don't understand why someone wouldn't keep a non-ruggedized in a protective shell.
FSWKU - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkThe Galaxy S20 is sealed, has no physical buttons on the front, no 3.5mm jack, and is 7.9mm thick.
Meanwhile, the S5 Active was only 1mm thicker at 8.9mm (as in "not enough you'd notice"), allowed you to easily replace the battery, had actual buttons on the front, a 3.5mm jack....and was STILL IP67 rated.
The S7/Edge has the same IP68 rating as the S20, and still manages to have a 3.5mm jack.
Conclusion: Sealed batteries and removing a standard audio connector are meant to reduce longevity or hinder easy upkeep, and force you to purchase expensive "wireless" accessories for simple things.
Retycint - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - linkYou forgot the fact that the S20 has a far bigger battery than both the S5 Active and S7/Edge. Sure, advancements in battery tech (though minor) are partly to thank for that, but being sealed and not having the headphone jack means more space for the battery as well. Weren't people complaining a few years back that they would rather have thicker phones with bigger batteries?
s.yu - Thursday, July 9, 2020 - linkCastrating the jack, as Samsung admitted, adds 100mah to the battery.