IDF 2014: Where is Thunderbolt Headed?by Ganesh T S & Mahendra Lodha on September 14, 2014 7:45 AM EST
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Coverage of Thunderbolt devices has been expanded on our site over the last few months. At IDF, we took the opportunity to chat with Intel about where Thunderbolt was headed.
The current market perception is one of Thunderbolt being relevant only to Mac users. But, a look at the products that Intel showcases, indicate that there are plenty of PC components (motherboards as well as workstations) that come with the technology integrated. Thunderbolt users on Windows have traditionally found that the technology doesn't live up to its advertised potential. Common complaints include
- Purchased peripherals don't carry certification on Windows
- Hot plugging peripherals doesn't work reliably
- Performance in terms of both bandwidth and latency end up being better on Mac compared to Windows for the same workloads
These issues have turned out to be a vicious circle - Mac users end up getting targeted with more Thunderbolt peripherals (for example, storage manufacturers pre-format their devices in HFS+ format), and this, in turn, lowers the appeal of these devices to Windows users. Irrespective of one's personal preference, it is an undeniable fact that Windows still rules the desktop and notebook market by a big margin. Without extensive adoption on the PC side, there is no doubt that Thunderbolt would go the way of FireWire, a technology that slowly faded into oblivion because Apple was the only vendor who invested in promoting it.
Expanding Thunderbolt's Reach with PCIe Expansion Cards
In the process of migrating from the Z77 / Z87 to the Z97 chipset, Intel tried to drive up Thunderbolt adoption by allowing motherboard makers to provide support via an add-in card. This kept the price of the motherboard low by avoiding the cost of integrating and verifying the Thunderbolt ASIC. The board layout only had to support a Thunderbolt header. The routing of the Display Port was also done externally.
Only interested consumers needed to pay the premium for the interface. In their motherboard segmentation plans for Thunderbolt, Intel intended these Add-In Cards (AICs) only for the X79 and H87 / H97 / Q87 chipsets. Z87 and Z97 motherboards were supposed to have Thunderbolt silicon on board. Unfortunately for Intel, many motherboard makers (including Asus) decided that the add-on card would be the best way to go forward, and didn't release any Z97 boards with integrated Thunderbolt support. This meant that the DIY market, for the most part, completely ignored Thunderbolt.
Thunderbolt on PCs: A Crippled Experience
The reason for the far from optimal experience with Thunderbolt on PCs boils down to two different aspects, the hardware and the software. In terms of hardware, Intel has never allowed motherboard vendors to hang the Thunderbolt silicon / add-in card off the CPU's PCIe lanes. These have to hang off the platform controller hub (PCH). On the other hand, Apple was allowed to hook up the Thunderbolt silicon directly to the CPU. The reason behind this leads us to the software side of things.
Apple has full control over the operating system. Hanging Thunderbolt peripherals directly off the CPU's PCIe lanes requires extensive support from the operating system, particularly when it comes to hot plugging devices and/or waking up peripherals from sleep mode. Over the PCIe lanes off the PCH, Intel has more control via its chipset drivers. Ultimately, it looks like Microsoft dropped the ball and Intel decided to come up with a certification solution by only allowing Thunderbolt silicon to talk to the PCH for all PC boards.
While Microsoft continues to twiddle its thumbs, Intel has decided to come up with less restrictive hardware suggestions to bridge the Thunderbolt experience gap between Macs and PCs.
Thunderbolt's Future - X99 Brings Promise, Driver Features Add Utility
The X99 platform's Thunderbolt capabilities were barely touched upon in the initial Haswell-E reviews. Part of the problem was that none of the motherboards from major vendors had support with on-board silicon. However, it is actually a very important chipset launch for the Thunderbolt on PCs ecosystem because Intel has finally allowed the AICs to hang off the CPU's PCIe lanes. A restriction is that the AIC must have support for a switch to disable the sleep mode for all the Thunderbolt devices in the chain, though this could conceivably go away if Microsoft fixes Windows for this issue.
In terms of updates to Thunderbolt itself, we are yet to see a move to PCIe 3.0. However, the drivers have been updated to enable 'Thunderbolt Networking'. This involves linking multiple PCs / Macs with Thunderbolt cables. A 10 Gbps network is automatically created (in the form of a 'dummy' network adapter). Macs and PCs can talk with each other to share printers and folders. For small workgroups, this could be an effective way to achieve 10 Gbps networking without the costly and noisy switches.
In conclusion, Thunderbolt is making great progress and PC users can expect things to get better in the future. In addition to Apple, lots of other vendors are also throwing in support for Thunderbolt in their workstations and notebooks. It would have been great to have a new version of Thunderbolt with PCIe 3.0 along with the X99 launch. But, we already know it is not going to be the case till Skylake launches. That said, it will be a priority for Intel and Microsoft to get the performance and experience right with current silicon for now.
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londedoganet - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkThe counterargument is AMD/VESA's DockPort; multiplexed USB3.0 and DisplayPort. Cheaper to implement, free of Intel's licensing restrictions, USB3.0 is already supported by Windows, and it's just "good enough" for most uses.
That said, you'll never get an external GPU with DockPort, and you still can't daisy-chain USB devices (though DockPort-enabled devices can conceivably act as USB hubs, and DockPort itself may support daisy-chaining).
Malih - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkI would be interested in Thunderbolt particularly with external GPU, but I imagine it would have more mass appeal when those Thunderbolt connectivity HUBs/Dock, like the Belkin Thunderbolt Express Dock, were priced low enough, preferably sub $100.
djvita - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkwait was there anything on cherrytrail? is it postponed?
surt - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkWhen will they support 4k/120p? I'm not planning to buy a new connector until that's supported.
DanNeely - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkYou'll need to wait for displayport 1.3 to have enough single cable bandwidth to support that. 1.3 was supposed to've been finalized in 2014q2; but appears to've slipped. Earlier this year, Asus said it would take a year or two from the spec being finalized to working hardware hitting the market. For the moment, I'd suggest not holding your breath.
SirKnobsworth - Monday, September 15, 2014 - linkTB3 will have enough bandwidth for that. Whether it will implement the necessary DP 1.3 is another question.
biostud - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkBasically it's a product the homeowner doesn't need and it cost an arm and a leg.
Pissedoffyouth - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkI just want a solution to the following:
Have a monitor with all attached to it. Power, keyboard, other USB esata etc.
Let me come home and plug a single cable into my laptop/tablet which will give me my screen, my keyboard mouse USB esata. But also charge my laptop.
And potentially daisy chain a second or 3rd monitor off it too.
USB3.1 kind of fits the bill, doesn't it? Or it that more thundrbolt?
DanNeely - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - link3.1 could do it. Certainly it has the power for a mainstream laptop; the challenge will be convincing the laptop OEMs to replace their current charging setup with a USB based one. I suspect a lot of initial implementations will still use a separate (probably barrel) plug for power; and only support outbound smartphone/tablet charging levels of power on the 3.1 ports.
Longer term, dunno. Supporting 60/90W in from all ports would add to costs; while only having a single special port for charging would result in consumer confusion. NTM problems with people trying to charge their laptop with a ~10W phone charger, or their full power laptop with a 30W netbook charger because it's the same plug.
Pissedoffyouth - Sunday, September 14, 2014 - linkPerhaps they could add power + USB/PCIe to the display port connector or a future hdmi?